Where does one start?

Where does one start in the program? Where you are.

Big book, pg 569  The purpose of the program is to foster a change in thinking sufficient to bring about a end to the overeating problem. This can be said and done in many ways, program, education, training, spiritual awaking, personality change, food study, philosophy ... pick one or more... which is sufficient to bring about change to ordered eating from disordered eating.

Or sufficient change in thinking, feelings, behaviours, (Physical, Emotional, {Mental or Spiritual or Philosophical}) to leave specific food out of our eating plan: sugars, wheat, grains, acellular carbohydrates, omega 6 oils, endorphins, endcanopioids, hormones, etc. I consider sugar, grains and O6 oils to be sweet tasting poison.

Or if you have a simple volume issue, three moderate meals each day, each and ever day. Some people fing weighting and measuring an alternate obsession, but it also works for some.

My life was unmanageable a that is what trained me to eat. Insulin, generated in response to carbohydrate intake, is a sedative. I liked to be sedated in unmanageable situations. I became conditioned to eat in response to anxiety, trauma, insecurity, harassment, bulling, etc. I survived, grew up and left that environment, but it took years to get out of from behind that early conditioning and it would be easy to slip back into it. When I venture back into that environment, those same conditioning remains in that obeseogenic environment, so I do not spend any time there, no more than necessary, and have eliminated all those obeseogenic custom in my own home, as much as I am able.


The first 164 pages of the big book, and OA stories are a good place to start. Food knowledge is required; however, that will take time to learn and sort real from fictional diets. Development of rigorous honesty, and a solid understanding of a real god concept was required for me. After that, my knowledge gathering took me into addiction recovery methods, psychology and philosophy. I followed the next obvious problem need to be solved. Perseverance, diligence, and study has led me around to many useful things.    

I, personally found that to deal with the known hyperinsulinema, - insulin resistance, I needed a low carbohydrate, high fat diet, aka HFLC, Paleo, Primal, type diet, and a full life between meals.

I am happy to answer any questions. Be happy, eat real food that you would have found in the 19 century, except acellular carbohydrates. Enjoy what life has to offer. (Daoish close)
Fredt.    

Remote Sponsor

I have been asked to serve as a remote sponsor.
Here is the warning that I sent as a response.
I beleive that it is only fair to warn anyone what I have done,
as part of my program of recovery.

I must warn you that I do (and have done)

other things as part of my recovery,
and may stray beyond the program.

In addition, I am a non-thesis, so that I twist the program to fit,
but still use the same processes as the basic of my 

program of recovery,
plus a few more.

There has been fifty years of research since the 

program was developed,
and many things have been learned, or proved, and more suspected.
Some of these things are useful, and some
contradict typically held knowledge, beliefs, and values.

For me, recovery has been a learning process,
sorting what works, from that which does not work
what is real from what is not or less real,
what I believe from public myths and fiction.

It is said that this program has three parts, 

physical, emotional, and spiritual.
I look at is as more, including knowledge about food, 

physiology, philosophy, psychology, behavior, feeling, 

thinking, and much more.

With this program as my core thinking system,
I have been able to let go of in excess of 50 kg,
and maintain that loss for a number of years.
Along the way I have changed considerably in behaviors,
feelings, and thinking. (emotionally, spiritually, physically)

I have learned a bit about food addiction, behavioral addiction,
and learned behaviors, food knowledge, all of which contributed
to my recovery.

Welcome to the adventure.

I am aware that this is all a bit intense,
but for the first 20 years around the program,
all I did was the program, and that was really tough.
This is easier, but how ever you would like it,
all I can do is tell you what I tried, what worked, and what did not. 

Cravings are biochemical

Some cravings are biochemical. Dopamine, serotonin, opioid, insulin resistance, internal starvation are all biochemical processes. It is not a oral or moral issue, but a chemical one.

The first step is to get separated from the food of issues. Sugar, wheat, grains, nuts, cheese, coffee, msg, artificial sweetners, whatever the food is, whether the food is the issue or the vector.  Replace with fresh meat, fish or vegetables. Suffer through withdrawal. Eat more animal fat if necessary. First, get through the withdrawal.

OA says, in the Invitation to You that the cause is not important. To me the cause is important. The cause is a biochemical reaction to specific foods that we eat. We can eat these again, if we are willing to go through withdrawal again, or die addicted. That is the choice.

What do you think on this subject?

oathursdaynightgroup

oathursdaynightgroup is the name I picked for this blog. It is intended to be an OA blog to help OA people along the 12 step OA path. Much of what is required is not easily addressed in meetings, hence, I felt there is a need for such a blog.

Anyone can respond in the comments. If I find the comments objectionable, I will simple delete them and ban the author. Please remember that this blog can be viewed by anyone. Anonymity is recommended, but anonymous post may not survive for long.