There are two separate parts to recovery, one is overcoming the desire to eat, and secondly, overcoming the habits of eating. At any one time, we have both, but in different strengths.
These are beyond hunger, insulin induced hunger, and beyond clear of all those addictions where hyperpalatable or food chemicals induce us to eat. (sugar, grains, acellular carbohydrates, omega 6 oils, dairy). Grabbing a piece of fruit on the way from the table after a meal is habit, as is portion size, more feelings, and the like.
Living only on natural foods reduces the desires. But then there is bloody habits to overcome. And environment. And food pushers. Is it any wounder that so many through up their hands and return to pre-contemplation stage. Epictetus says there are two vices blacker than the rest, lack of persistence, and lack of self control, and he goes on to talk about developing self-control though assents, desires, and impulses. Lose all desires, expectations, delusions and stick to what is up to us. Enough.
Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Tuesday, April 29, 2014
Just for Today
With maturity we should be moving from irrational to rational, emotional to logic and rational though, in understanding, intent, speech and actions.
Just for today is a concept that allows us to get through rough bits of life. We can labor hard through short term issues for a bit. I can do, just for today, what I could not bear for a lifetime. (if in doubt of which one, try a furry animal)
or someone else take:
Living just for today relieves the burden of the past and the fear of the future. We learned to take whatever actions are necessary and to leave the results in the hands of fate, nature, other people. The theists puts in god, the non-theists, nature.
But is this not living in the present, without hope for or fear of the future? (stoic description) The down side of hope maybe creation of a delusion, that delusion being that things will be better in the future. They may be different, and not better. We are better to deal with reality verses living with a delusion. Any god pusher thinks that it is better to live in a delusion with irrational hope, ... is better than facing reality.
Now to those who through (or should that be throw, as to pitch) in a what if it never gets better? Well, we have a choice, live or leave. We always have that choice, and if it is logical, perhaps to return ourselves to where we came from, may be the best answer, while we are able and the choice is up to us.
Just for today, I will try to understand the logic. But what do I know?
Just for today is a concept that allows us to get through rough bits of life. We can labor hard through short term issues for a bit. I can do, just for today, what I could not bear for a lifetime. (if in doubt of which one, try a furry animal)
or someone else take:
Living just for today relieves the burden of the past and the fear of the future. We learned to take whatever actions are necessary and to leave the results in the hands of fate, nature, other people. The theists puts in god, the non-theists, nature.
But is this not living in the present, without hope for or fear of the future? (stoic description) The down side of hope maybe creation of a delusion, that delusion being that things will be better in the future. They may be different, and not better. We are better to deal with reality verses living with a delusion. Any god pusher thinks that it is better to live in a delusion with irrational hope, ... is better than facing reality.
Now to those who through (or should that be throw, as to pitch) in a what if it never gets better? Well, we have a choice, live or leave. We always have that choice, and if it is logical, perhaps to return ourselves to where we came from, may be the best answer, while we are able and the choice is up to us.
Just for today, I will try to understand the logic. But what do I know?
Saturday, April 26, 2014
Some thing are up to us, some are not
Some thing are up to us, some are not. From this principle, Epictetus and the Stoics build up a great deal of relief from garbage. That which is not up to us is of no concern, we cannot do anything about us but we can protect ourselves against much of the effects, but that is a topic for another day.
Now what is up to us. The lowest form is assent to a simple proposition. Eat his, not that. No sugar, no grains gives a great deal of relief. It is up to me if I take the next bite or go away. I cannot sit in front of food and not eat. I can go away. If it is too smokey in the kitchen, leave. What others think is not up to me.
It is our culture and environment that creates these unhealthy situations. I can only live in my environment.
Choice is always up to me. The problem arises when I want something, and I chose it. But hold on, desire is up to me also. There we have the big three, assent, desire, impulse, and all else is built on those. Taking thing back to first principles shows what the problem may be, uncontrolled desires, or lack of training about control of desire.
Now where is there training available about desire control. Marcus 6.13 talks about it, the dead body of an ox, the seeds of trees, fruits of a weed, picked, soaked in HFCS and dried, the fat in the lactate of bovines, separated and congealed, or fermented the gut of a sheep; not to appetizing. (beef, nuts, dried cranberries, butter, cheese)
Now what is up to us. The lowest form is assent to a simple proposition. Eat his, not that. No sugar, no grains gives a great deal of relief. It is up to me if I take the next bite or go away. I cannot sit in front of food and not eat. I can go away. If it is too smokey in the kitchen, leave. What others think is not up to me.
It is our culture and environment that creates these unhealthy situations. I can only live in my environment.
Choice is always up to me. The problem arises when I want something, and I chose it. But hold on, desire is up to me also. There we have the big three, assent, desire, impulse, and all else is built on those. Taking thing back to first principles shows what the problem may be, uncontrolled desires, or lack of training about control of desire.
Now where is there training available about desire control. Marcus 6.13 talks about it, the dead body of an ox, the seeds of trees, fruits of a weed, picked, soaked in HFCS and dried, the fat in the lactate of bovines, separated and congealed, or fermented the gut of a sheep; not to appetizing. (beef, nuts, dried cranberries, butter, cheese)
Thursday, April 24, 2014
Spirtual (Philosophical) Life
The spiritual (philosophical) life is no theory, you still must live it. (or something like that, Bill Wilson.)
Well how different is that? I was planning to live anyway, eat three meals a day, work a bit, holiday a bit. etc.
BB pg 68, two center paragraphs, Bill tells us how to live, which demonstrates his philosophy of life. Yah sure, if you swallow god. Something else perhaps, if you are not christian. Or if you take refuge in Buddha thoughts, and seek refuge with Vimalasara with Eight Step Recovery, or with the stoics; Rufus, Epictetus, Marcus and Seneca. Odd thing is when we study and live some things are up to us and some things are not, all the shit falls away, and we are left with logic. Rational Recovery, SMART, Peele, Horvath, and the like all help, but it is I that must live my life.
Other around me do not make this easy, they make it blood difficult. Well perhaps it is time to become agreeable and do nothing others want me to do beyond my duty. Screw it, nobody cares anyway.
Well how different is that? I was planning to live anyway, eat three meals a day, work a bit, holiday a bit. etc.
BB pg 68, two center paragraphs, Bill tells us how to live, which demonstrates his philosophy of life. Yah sure, if you swallow god. Something else perhaps, if you are not christian. Or if you take refuge in Buddha thoughts, and seek refuge with Vimalasara with Eight Step Recovery, or with the stoics; Rufus, Epictetus, Marcus and Seneca. Odd thing is when we study and live some things are up to us and some things are not, all the shit falls away, and we are left with logic. Rational Recovery, SMART, Peele, Horvath, and the like all help, but it is I that must live my life.
Other around me do not make this easy, they make it blood difficult. Well perhaps it is time to become agreeable and do nothing others want me to do beyond my duty. Screw it, nobody cares anyway.
Sunday, April 13, 2014
Monday, April 7, 2014
Food SMART?
Is there any interest in in SMART reworked for overeating issues?
You could be in at the start of such an organization. Considerable effort would be required to get such an operation up and running. The methods used by SMART are helpful for the overeating, but also is a diet free of sugar, grains and all calorie dense carbohydrates. But also philosophy is wonderful for reduction of the emotions, desires, and impulses.
SMART http://www.smartrecovery.org/intro/
If anyone is interested please let me know. comment below or fredtully at gmail.com
You could be in at the start of such an organization. Considerable effort would be required to get such an operation up and running. The methods used by SMART are helpful for the overeating, but also is a diet free of sugar, grains and all calorie dense carbohydrates. But also philosophy is wonderful for reduction of the emotions, desires, and impulses.
SMART http://www.smartrecovery.org/intro/
If anyone is interested please let me know. comment below or fredtully at gmail.com
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