Speaking to the Religious

Once we realize that there are no gods, no supernatural, and there is no admissible evidence of a god, then all religions are just pitching woo. There are no objective or traditional ethics or morals, they are just handed down, as from mystics. But morals, ethics, and values are therefore subjective and have no foundation other than logic. Whats more, they are adaptive; that is they change with the situation, whether we realize the reasons or not. When we start looking at the reasoning, we realize that now. more than ever, religions are pitching woo.

Religions prime motivation is to grow the religion. Big families are/were the surest way; but now that we humans have overpopulated the globe, human life on the fringes has much less value. That makes abortion just fine, and birth control required. Morals are adaptive.

Fraud must be considered to be a serious crime. It was not in biblical/Sumerian time, hence all the old codes do not outlaw it, so like computer crimes, it is a relative newcomer to the crimes of the world. The government needs to catch up and prosecute these as much as theft.

Once we realize there are no gods, then religion becomes fraud; selling something they cannot deliver. There is no life after death, no miracles, no help to come through prayer, well only self deception, perhaps some value in self talk. Community is a separate item, some churches build community, and some split community. Oh well, there is little community in the fast changing urban environment, especially for the low social people. 

So to go from a well developed nihilist like myself, to a religious is not rational. To define a nihilist: a person who believes that life is meaningless and rejects all religious and moral principles, but rather adopts humanist, or existential ethics, morals, values while painting on a purpose or meaning to life, while recognizing there is no universal purpose or meaning... Even talking to the religious is difficult since they do not have a clue about what an atheist really thinks... and yet they want to gloss over the fact that there is no evidence for a god.