As I read these old Romans and Greeks, I realize that they knew more than we do about training good human behaviour into themselves and their children than we do now, or at least, take the time to do in mass of the population.
That is to say that the Christian religion stalled progress for most of 2000 years, in many ways of human behaviour. Oh well, shit happens, drop it and move on. The Romans used god to explain what they did not know, or were just unable to understand yet, but knew that the earth went around the sun.
They knew how to train people to do most anything. They knew it was our thoughts about the subjects that caused problems, that our desires was the main issue, and getting our desires under control was the job of reason, will, awareness, soul, spirit, consciousness, what ever we call that part of us that knows right from wrong, reason from desire, and the like. As Tolle's "I cannot live with myself", the split must come, and we need to figure out what "I" is, and what we can control or have power over. All else is for others to take care of, or the gods. We need to learn to live in accordance with the laws of nature, Logos. That does not include addictive highly processed foods with added exorphins to bump up the addictive property's.
My beliefs do not require that anyone believe as I do.
Enough. Please feel free to express any thoughts on this subject or any other burning desires you may have.